主题: 1.5 语音辩论的英语新闻原文及国外初步反响
作者: 黄逸
本帖转自社区口吃研究论坛
黄逸将1.5 的语音辩论写成英语新闻，向国外口吃界作了报道。以下是英语新闻原文及初步反响。朱迪.卡斯特教授认为,类似恨若秋水的成功经历在互联网上有许多, 但往往缺乏普遍意义, 即某一口吃者的成功经验并不适合于大多数口吃者.
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黄逸计划今后逐步淡出文字辩论, 转而将兴趣放在语音交流与辩论上。这样，就会及时让大家知道真实情况。
以下是黄逸的报道
News: an on-line phonetic argument between two stutterers in China, (No.1 in 2008)
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On Jan.5, 2008, an on-line phonetic argument was listened by thousands of stutterers throughout China in the Internet.
The argument was between a doctor Huang Yi (Shanghai city), and a policeman Yuan Yunlu (Jiangxi province), both of them claimed to have been severe stutterer many years ago and regained fluency. Doctor Huang thinks that stuttering is caused by many factors; it can be improved by some techniques together with psychological adjustment. However, policeman Yuan thinks that stuttering is only caused by psychological factor, it will disappear automatically if you don’t care about it, no technique is effective in the treatment of stuttering.
The important audio-argument may be recorded in the history of stuttering research in China. Both of the arguers displayed fluency in their argument. Policeman Yuan attacked the current therapies for stuttering and scolded these methods as “cheating”, and he thinks that doctor Huang is a “swindler”. Doctor Huang rebuked Yuan who was supposed to be lack of comprehensive knowledge about stuttering, and he thinks that Yuan’s personal success is not representative of most of the stutterers.
This on-line phonetic argument was indeed the collision between two schools about stuttering in China. Policeman Yuan is a frantic advocator of the late Chinese speech-language therapist Zhang Jinhui, who thought that stuttering
was “normal phenomena”, and stuttering disease could only be cured by psychological adjustment. Both of Dr.Huang Yi and policeman Yuan were clients of Zhang Jinhui many years ago.
This on-line phonetic argument between stutterers was a creation in China, to my knowledge; it may be pioneer work in the world. If a regular on-line phonetic argument between stutterers is set up among countries in the world, it will further promote the mutual exchange of views on stuttering.
J.Kuster教授的评论
How interesting, Huang! Congratulations on this pioneer work to help people in China understand stuttering.
It is unfortunate that Policeman Yuan is so strong in his beliefs that just because he was able to make his stuttering disappear by working solely on what he refers to as the "psychological" aspect, that is what causes stuttering for everyone and is how all stuttering should be treated. It is something that I see often -- a person who stutters who finds he way out of a stuttering problem, thinks that he has THE answer or solution to stuttering that will work for everyone. There are a lot of examples on the internet! It is also unfortunate that he labels you a "swindler" and thinks that speech therapy is "cheating."
You are absolutely right that he does not know enough about stuttering. Your information and knowledge about stuttering are very, very important in China. Keep up the good work!
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本帖最后由 黄逸 于 2008-1-21 20:37 编辑 ]
愚公跟帖:
恨若秋水的主要观点是:
"不关心, 不讨论, 不评价有关口吃的任何问题, "
"我们要在转变观念之后，果断的离开论坛，离开口吃的话题。"
"口吃病最终康复就必须离开口吃话题，更不要去参与讨论、研究口吃，"
愚公点评:
我估计这样的根治率要小于万分之一.
朱迪.卡斯特教授认为,类似恨若秋水的成功经历在互联网上有许多, 但往往缺乏普遍意义, 即某一口吃者的成功经验并不适合于大多数口吃者
愚公回复:
恨若秋水还没有给我们复制出几个像他那样的根治者就离开了社区, 使我们失去了一次宝贵的验证根治的机会. 这是非常遗憾的事情.
自然跟帖:
应秋水的要求，原文翻译如下:
2008年1月5日中国互联网举办了一场语音辩论会，有数以千计的口吃者听到了这场语音辩论会.
辩论是在黄逸医生和袁警官之间进行的，他们都说自己很多年以前是严重的口吃者，后来又流畅起来了.
黄医生认为口吃是由多种因素导致的，可以通过包括心理调整在内的多种方法来使口吃得到改善；袁警官认为：口吃仅仅由心理因素导致的. 如果口吃者做到不再关注口吃，口吃就会自动消失，口吃治疗中的任何技巧都是无效的.
这场重要的语音辩论或许可以写入中国口吃研究的历史，辩论的双方在辩论的过成中都语言流畅，袁警官攻击和指责现有的口吃治疗方法是欺骗.
他认为黄逸是个骗子，黄医生反击袁缺乏口吃的全面知识，并认为袁个人的成功对大多数口吃者而言没有代表性。.
这场在线语音辩论实际上是中国口吃两个派别观点的冲突，袁警官是张景晖的狂热拥护者，而张景晖认为口吃是正常的现象，口吃只有通过心理调整来治疗.
黄医生和袁警官都是张以多年以前的学生.
在中国，口吃者之间的网上语音辩论是一种创新，以我的了解，在世界范围内也是一项先锋性质的工作，如果在全球范围内的口吃者之间
本 定期举行这样的语音辩论会，就可以促进不同口吃观点的融合交流。
J。kuster教授的评论：
黄，真有趣！祝贺你通过辩论来帮助中国人理解口吃。 很遗憾袁警官的强烈信心仅仅是通过他认为的心理方面调整来使口吃消失，并认为心理因素是导致所有口吃者口吃的因素。我常常能在网上看到一个曾经口吃的人找到了解决自己口吃问题的办法，然后就认为他的解决口吃的方法就对所有口吃者都有效.
这样的例子在网上很多！非常遗憾袁给你贴上骗子的标签，非常遗憾认为言语治疗是欺骗.
你对袁警官没有完全认识口吃的评价是完全正确的，在中国，你的关于口吃的知识和信息是非常非常重要的，继续努力！
[自然简要评论：]
1.黄逸提到的有数以千计的口吃者听了辩论会，这的数字怎么来的?
2.关于口吃的成因，这个世界上还没有人能通过科学实证的研究来给出答案。换句话说，口吃的成因还没有正确的完全的答案，
J。kuster是依据什么标准来评价袁警官没有完全认识口吃。j。kuster作为专业研究的人员恐怕还没有完全认识口吃，要求业余口吃研究者完全认识口吃
是不是有点苛刻？建议 j。kuster 多向那些口吃治愈者请教，这样对启发你的研究思路有好处。毕竟广大口吃者寻求的是有效果的口吃治疗 ,而不是花了钱后什么问题都不能解决的口吃治疗。
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